Hirsi Ali wants to ban Belgian largest party because it is … Islamophobic

Last September Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Somalian-Dutch feminist leftist parliamentarian and target of jihadist assassination threats, showed her true leftist colors by seeking to have a small Christian Dutch party outlawed because it opposes homosexual “marriage” and abortion. But Ali is not stopping at trying to ban political parties in her adopted country. Now, according to the Brussels Journal, Ali has

told the Belgian authorities that they should ban the country’s largest party, the “Islamophobic” Vlaams Belang. In an interview with the Antwerp newspaper Gazet van Antwerpen (1 February), she said why she regards the VB as a dangerous party:

“I would ban the VB because it hardly differs from the Hofstad group [a Jihadist terror network in the Netherlands, involved in the assassination of Theo van Gogh]. Though the VB members have not committed any violent crimes yet, they are just postponing them and waiting until they have an absolute majority. On many issues they have exactly the same opinions as the Muslim extremists: on the position of women, on the suppression of gays, on abortion. This way of thinking will lead straight to genocide.”

So, enough of this business about Hirsi Ali’s courage in the face of Islamic death threats, which requires us to treat her as our hero. Her denunciation of a leading conservative European political party as Nazi-like shows that she is as much of an enemy to the West as she is to traditionalist Islam. Anti-Islamists who make Ali their hero are deluding themselves and weakening the West.

HT: View form the Right.

Well, this is very extraordinary. I thought she was fighting the right cause. But it seems now she is as intolerant as the people she is apparently fighting against. I mean, precisely if you are defending liberty of expression, anything can be defended. So it would be very good for someone to oppose homosexual marriage or abortion and for others to feel themselves offended, WITHOUT ANY VIOLENT ACT -or inciting others to do it-, and WITHOUT CALLING OTHER COUNTRIES TO INFLUENCE A GOVERNMENT IN INTERNAL POLICY.

And, by the way, where the Belgian conservative party has said they are going to "supress" -that sounds like Killing them- homosexuals, that the men can beat the woman, etc?

I just do not know what to make of this.

I agree with Paul Belien when he says:

The Dutch “integration test” illustrates the same attitude that seems to inspire Ms Hirsi Ali: Immigrants are welcome if they condone gays. They are not welcome if they oppose abortion. If this is how “good” immigrants are to be selected from “bad” ones, it will certainly not solve the basic problem of the West, its birth dearth. On the contrary.

Yes, now that I have seen what Hirsi Ali wants (dictatorship from another point of view), hmmm, I think that she is not pointing in the right direction. And by the way, in Holland the free expression was held as the basic motive for the publication of a book in which some Muslim clerics said homosexuals should be thrown from a tower. Why on earth someone can say things like that and not to say he/she is not convinced by the social need of homosexual "marriages"'? Moreover, nearly all the people are convinced that the homosexuals have to be united in some way for the State to know, but I really do not believe they are asking because of that to kill them or even to discriminate them.

You can vote this parties or not, you can be Christian or not, etc. That is a PERSONAL decision, no one is going to hurt you for that. But that doesn't mean that this people cannot unite themselves to defend democratically their points of view, that really are correspondent to Western Constitution. There are people that oppose to their views and so people can test their own views.

Lastly, I do not think that a totalitarism is fought by another. And with this act, Hirsi Ali is just doing the same (she intends not to have discussions on these subjects): forbidding the freedom of expression. But as the rest are not like the Islamofascists she can be totally calm and peaceful: no one is going to harm her for that. And if somone does it, surely his/her action is not going to be applauded even by the people who supports a ban of abbortion or says no to homosexual marriage.




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7 responses to “Hirsi Ali wants to ban Belgian largest party because it is … Islamophobic

  1. kris

    Vlaams Belang is a Belgian Party, not Dutch. You’re out of context: Hirsi Ali made her comment after a debate she was having in Antwerp. When The VB gave her the offer of working together. She declined it with saying that the VB had the same intolerant and totalirian impulse as The Extremist Muslims. Should be banned. IT’s just that you can’t be tolerant with the intolerant. VB has always a Cordon Sanitaire, inflicted by all Flemish political partys for his intolerant stands. The CS is making the VB it impossible to join the political arena. It’s not a little party. It’s the biggest party in Flanders, with 24% of the votes. Hirsi ALi made only the reference.
    Vlaams Belang, is not a little Dutch Party. It’s a big Flemish Fascist Party. Flanders is Belgium, You’ve got to learn your geographics first.

  2. A) I accept the correction on the geographic point. It's clearly seen by reading the post. And well, I can distinguish pretty well the two countries, I can assure you.

    B) But also I can say "no" to your second reason. Firstly, the own post tells you that "the country’s largest party" is "the “Islamophobic” Vlaams Belang". So it's clearly NOT a little party, you must be mistaken by the reference to the Christian Dutch little party she intended to outlaw this last autumn.

    Secondly, she is not telling that the party is fascist, she is just claiming that it has the same views of the Jihadist on abortion, women and gays,and that they haven't kill "yet". The first cause if it's true, just gives me two things to think about: what methods they have to achieve it? If they are violent that it's a real cause to outlaw them; if they are not, we have to distinguish then: what are they really claiming for? Because I just don't know of any political party that nowadays is claiming for "the suppression of gays": if they claim that, then they should be outlawed. No one can aim the suppression of any part of the community. The second is: what is that "they have not killed "yet"? I mean, or you are claiming for the death of others or you are not, and in this last case there is no point in saying that. And lastly, as a woman, I do not know of any political party in Europe which claims for the beating of the wifes if they are not behaving well, for them to wear garments that fully cover the woman's body or for sustaininig a punishment for women who abort. If this is the case just tell me about it.

    I have being reading The Brussels Journal -from wich this link is- for a long time now, and they know the difference between "fascists" and "conservative", so I will rely on their judgment better that in yours, except that you present more proofs than your only words.

    Thirdly, I am not really concerned about the context in which she made those remarks. She is a politician and as such she must be completely aware that whatever she says is being recorded and can be commented on. So the right question to ask is: did she say that? Yes, so I think you'll let me comment on her statements.

  3. kris

    Vlaams Belang. Former name Vlaams Blok. Vlaams BLok was interconnected with VMO: VLaamse Militanten Orde A new law on privé-militias placed the VMO out of law. It died out. On reuniuns, Filip De Winter, is still present. VMO was a Neo-Nazi organisation. (Members of it were prosecuted for (political?) killings.)
    As Vlaams Belang, they’re not advocating the suppression of gays, As Vlaams Blok, they did. They had their VMO hunting and beating Homo’s around bars night. Vlaams Blok vision on womans rights was KKK or ‘Keuken Kinderen Kerk’ (Kitchen Children Church). Repatriation of all immigrants and very anti-semitic.
    These statements and the connection with a privé-militia gave the Vlaams Blok the name Fascist Party. Are the origin of the Cordon Sanitaire.
    That Cordon Sanitaire, I don’t agree with it. It gave the Vlaams Blok/ Vlaams Belang the possibility to grow without doing politics. The Christian, Left and Liberal partys made Belgium ungovernable with it.
    With the change in name, the retorics changed too. For the elections this fall the Vlaams Belang is courting the Jews in Antwerp. Anti Semitic they’re not anymore. Inside they have a 70-points program which is still very close to the opinions of the Vlaams Blok in the beginning, very totalirian and on many points opposed at what they say in public. Maybe Fascist is a to strong name for them. It stays a dubious party. 20 years ago when it came into politics, it used violence to silence opposition.
    Ban Vlaams Belang, because it’s an Islamophobic party? She spoke directly to Filip De Winter that the Belgian authorities should ban his party. She didn’t speak to the Belgian Authorities about it. That’s a big difference. She said it, she said in public, where Filip De Winter was part of the public. Afterwards she got some intervieuws about it, where she said it again. Never to the Belgian authorities directly.
    With the Cordon Sanitaire, which is always going on 20 years, all the other parties ban the Vlaams Belang. They may be ashamed for it. The CS destroyed politics here.
    I’m Islamophobic. For me it’s being anti-totalirian. It’s a name you can wear with proudness, like ‘Geus’ during the reign of Alva in the Middle Ages. Vlaams Belang? I had violent encounters because of what I expressed in my Artworks with their Militia 20 years ago. I will allways distrust them.

  4. kris

    something more than my words over VB http://www.blokbuster.be/foto.html you can find articles in English on http://www.blokwatch.be

  5. I will read it more carefully, Kris. Very interesting.

    I wonder why the Brussels Journal has posted that on its web…



  7. kris

    I read Brussels Journal always a long time and scan it nearly daily for new articles. It’s a good site. That post I found over the top. I think it has something to do with the divide between flemish and walloons in politics in Belgium. This divide is a distorting factor for Belgium. 3 governements for a little country. FLemish, Walloon, Federal. Payed by the highest tax-rate in the world. Politicians filling their pockets by stirring up the divide. No wonder nothing works here.

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